Regardless of what automosal testing or MtDNA would show, the MALE ANCESTRY still has an Affinity with M35 because it comes FROM M35 {Not speaking of Ethiopia, or even Africa and definitely not race} the marker its self comes from the M35 Marker and no other Marker in existence. good job mathilda(not much of a gene expert). I think it is a bit hurtful the way the word negroid is used as if there is something wrong with the look. Can you please explain this to me in so i can understand thanks. DNA and stone tool evidence disagrees with you totally. Unless the Albanians and Greeks, who have 40% East African genes are considered part African, the Somalis cannot be considered part Caucasoid. date of When those samples are separated and run in a single analysis as in Fig. The Eurasian haplogroup K2 was found in 10.4%, and 3.0% of the Somali Y chromosomes belonged to the major clade J. There were TWO large ones not just the Bantu. The project is open to all Somali from all regions (Somalia, … Somalis overwhelmingly prefer the demonym Somali over the incorrect Somalian since the former is an endonym, while the latter is an exonym with double suffixes. It was a common belief from the Victorian era, lately disproved…. I can count up to my 12 grandfather and they all were muslim shieks. I have read too many times people label E3a as West African, Bantu etc. Inconsistent methodology and failure to look at broader more complex models of population genesis. In Egypt the mtDNA is mixed also M1, L3 & H. M78 is the clade closest to the somali type… the distribution maps for the two are on the page, there’s not any overlap. So Somali are 15% eurasian and 5 % sub-Saharan African what others dna makes a somali i(n percentages). Not according to the three of the worlds leading Egyptologists, whose book I just read. “dark skin Afrocentric people were spread all over the planet”. So if humanity started in e. africa it only make sense that we have the features of every racial group in the world, you can find somalis with small eyes like asians, soft hair like indians, skin tone like arabs, and noses like europeans. I myself,come from Trinidad&Tobago,and blacks are mixed with indians and whites…take a gene test…. Unfortunately my special area is North Africa, so I can’t be certain of migrations to account for it’s presence in Europe. The DNA studies say one thing, but I get masses of spam from irate people insisting they are wrong. I feel sorry for you guys … If I wrote that I’d never trust any work by a black scholar I’d get a bomb in the post. ( Log Out /  No one should buy it. GENERICALLY SPEAKING : The young Somalis who know nothing about DNA and ancestry might be happy discovering this site but sorry, Mathilda is very biased here. This will tell you that the Afrosiatic peoples had there origin in the horn of africa. to Igbo You see Africans as a monolithic group and any variation must be explained as “Euro-type” features. My dad has an afro, my sister does to but I have thick, soft hair my other sister has soft curls. V12 is common in East Africa, V32 is a micro subclade of V12. Ethiopia, Eritrea, Djibouti and Somali are all Brothers intermarried and mixed. 1, there clearly is a tie between them that is diluted the farther one gets from sub-Saharan Africa. i think my post was directed to the trash because of “cush*tic.”. Modern Ethiopians and Somalis also are “Separated” 24k years ago from that Specific event. M2 is seen it is highest frequency in Senegalese West Africans. So I think our genes are beautiful and should embrace your history rather then ignore, or hate. There are western Sudanese who have M78, there are Kenyans who have M78. Your BS would mean All East asians should have caucasoid skulls too. It would be like saying the “African Origin of the Ouldeme” – Ignoring the Fact that their main Y Chromosome marker is Non-African” (and hypothetically if they spoke a Non-African language = parallel example with Berbers). Mostly to do with the non Africans being founded from a small East African group that had already been isolated from South And West Africa for some time, then with some Eurasian added in later. and technically Somali-specific m78 is v32, V12 looks more Nubian to me. TarotReader Well-Known … Euroasians, ex Africans might have kept those genes. they(metchoids) migrated in Niger on the new transmission of genes between populations of the north after the expulsion from iberu-maurisien who refused those new old know people I am a Somali, and I very interested in my genetic history. Sorry i cannot give you any link with sources because some of this info I got from books. Because we aren’t. I am Somali and I can trace my origins back to Samaale, and there’s not a single gene of what you called caucasian is in my cells. This is what I meant when i kept saying “I am unsure exactly what you are trying to say about this population.”. In terms of Genetic lineage they have not lost anything as the population is primarily R1b. Quote me where I said BLACK Americans descend from the melanisians and australians in this post? mathilde wrote, Zeta Saloman- Somalis are pretty closely related to Oromo. I’m ignoring any possible input from black Africans due to the Arab slave trade, which has contributed quite significantly to Arabian and North Africa maternal ancestry, but the two probably balance out. Taking the British as a representative Caucasoid sample and the Mandenka as a sub-Saharan population, the proportion m of caucasoid lineages in the Somali is m = 0.46. Im 100% somali no yemeni in me or nothing else just pure somali. It is among the farmers of the riverine areas and the traders of the coastal towns you see greater variability in features. I don’t think that the Islamic presence would have made much difference as there’s not enough Arabic/Berber ancestry to account for the T in Europe (relative percentages, it wouldn’t be enough compared to the other Arab male ancestrty). When you said “It’s more true of Ethiopians than Somalis, but the West Africans and South Africans were pretty isolated from East Africa for a very long time.” What did you mean? ! ( Log Out /  As far as I can tell from the DNA studies it, you all seem pretty similar, not with the people from Egypt all bunched in one place. The “Ancestor ” is Ethiopic as noted by those geneticists. Maybe you are though which is why you insist on erasing the real history of black Americans to fit into your afro-centric West African propaganda against black America. It’s mostly Afrocentric West Africans and black Americans who get all pissy at this because it means the East African kingdoms had some Eurasian in them and weren’t ‘all black’ (racism, so a two way street). How much are we bit related to Egyptians and Yemeni people and why can u tell who is somali and r we Sub-Saharan Africans or mixed race because we dont look mix race. If you have a difference source that says other wise thanks in advanced. You have to remember that modern Egypt contains lower Nubia now, so taking people from the southern part of modern Egypt will give you typically Nubian people. Im very light skin I have soft hair and I was born with gold hair. The Main Sub-Clades of M35 are: Nice try. There are multiple images of them- some have fair hair and light skin. The other obvious matter shown in Fig. Don’t let the names confuse you, the E3b1 in Europe (V13) is about 30k seperated from any sub Saharan ancestor. Look at their DNA studies. Which is why you should be wary of any idiot that tries to claim greeks ect have a lot of black ancestry on the basis of an E named Y chr that hasn’t seen a sub Saharan male ancestor in about 30k. “The hypothesis of an African location for the land of Punt is based on extremely fragile grounds. Just because one ancestor came from Ethiopia about 24k and got lucky enough to influence a bottleneck in North Africa about 18k later does not mean Berbers have any real affinity to ethiopia. we dont look half and half. If the origin in Ethiopia was replaced by Egypt is it now replaced by Sudan? 2. No. mathilda37 please can you answer my questions. Egypt 4-20, Ethiopia 25%, Sudan 23%, Kenya 11%, Morocco7%”. BTW, according to numerous studies, “The most distinct separation is between African and non-African populations. Among the surrounding vegetation are palms and myrrh trees, some of the latter already in the process of being hacked apart in order to extract the myrrh. I’m guessing you haven’t. Take a look at this picture of Somali nomads –Somali dress and culture is strikingly similar to that of Ancient Egyptians: Somali language is also far more similar to Ancient Egyptian. I found this, It might interest you as to the location of the land of Punt. JB, there is some evidence that some movement from teh Sahara and East Africa made it as far as west Africa, like the Fulani/Fulbe. All this DNA evidence is just a attempted for European people to try to steal African and Middle Eastern history to try to claim it as their own because our civilizations where much older than theirs. (2) You say Somalis have mix ancestry but our skin is black like other sub saharan africans why is this ? She admitted that in their family tree (seven generation) there is an Egyptian lady Great…. 4 – Genetics – Southern Egyptians have more of the Egyptian marker M78* and V12, also even V22 which links over to East Africa. Can you tell me how much percentage of each genes are in Somalis. You keep repeating the claim that East Africans are 40% Eurasian, because of the fact that their MtDNA show a degree of Caucasoid influence, but considering the fact that Albanians have 40% E1b1b and Greeks have 47% E1b1, which originated in the horn as indicated by the first study I posted, Albanians and Greeks must be 40% Cushitic, for lack of a better word. East africans are genetically closer to Europeans than West africans though, for whatever reason. Many Africans themselves call themselves “Red” – But socially they are under the umbrella of people that would be called “Black.” This is what is hard for me to understand, first we were discussing genetics and migrations but NOW you seem to be using semantics and arguing over exactly WHO is “Black” WITHIN AFRICA – Even when they have BROWN SKIN. Ultimately Ancient Egypt is much like the rest of the horn of Africa is what can be called Afro-Asiatic –African lands that are at the crossroads of ancient migratory routes and although they have connections to Asia they have a historical and racial identity that is unique to Africa. Saying that E3b moved into North East Africa is wrong- it remained there during the backmigration and appears to have been at the area where the new Eur-African population and old African population met and mixed, instead of the Eurasians wiping the Africans out, which is what happened across the rest of north Africa. I think is was more like a shock, she was thought about her indian heritage but not the Somali, and that Somali dna percentage is so high that one of her grandparent was maybe a Somali … Not satisfied with their own culture so they vote for an African guy (instead of another African-American) one to make due. Chadic speaking Ouldeme would be 50% Eurasian if that were true, which they rather obviously aren’t. being in a “tropical enviroment” does not make your skin dark some arab and asian countries are just as hot as africa. Countries like Mali, Chad, Niger, Senegal are all in the Sahara and are inhabited by primarily people we call “Black” – The Sahel also is primarily inhabited by “Black People”. But don’t forget, if your DNA says you are M78, you’re not the only European coming from Africa…everyone came from Africa. It is my believe that all features seen among the Somalis and other cushitic and sematic speakers are indiginous to Somalis and do not require “importation” from outside gene pools to explain. Why is it that scientists are claiming that we have such a significant amount of Caucasian material? V13’s ancestors never came from Somalia, they share a common ancestor from upper Egypt that moved South into Somali and also NE into Europe (m78). They are the groups that have M215 and M35. This is great , in fact I would like to use some of your findings. BTW, there is no such thing as a pure race. Modern Egyptians speak Arabic today and have much Semitic admixture but that does not mean that Ancient Egyptians were ‘Asian’. Matilda in response to your comments: Also, the Asians are the majority on this planet. In fact, somalis and Ethiopians and North Africans all group together as one racial block in one big DNA study of Africa- which I’ll get around to posting at some point. but im not gunna lie all my life i have been confused about what the hell i am like if im not considerd full black or asain and not considerd arab what am i? Hebrew and Arabic are the only Semitic languages spoken outside of Africa –there are more Semitic languages spoken in Ethiopia than any other part of the world suggesting that the Semitic languages originated in Africa. M81 has nothing to do with East Africa. According to Europeans, they are considered white. It had to come from ONE population. I did find M123, but that TOO comes from the Ethiopic M35* In Iraqis, 12 haplogroups were identified including J2*(xJ2f2) (29.7%) and J*(xJ2) (26.6%). M78 is scare in the Near east and very rare in the Middle east. lets say you are correct and punt land is not located in Somalia but how do you explain the language that consist of both Arabian pagan gods like Wad and mostly Egyptian gods for example like Ra, Amun, Horus and plane usage of primary words. To say, we got our looks from ancient European and Asian ancestors is utter bullocks. The area given is southern Egypt running into the North of Sudan or central Egypt for the E3b1 mutation. Actually a lot of African tribes are darker than any UV explanation can account for. ! It is E3b1a is 17,000-20,000 years old…..But berbers dont come from E3b1a (M78) This site uses cookies. You cannot be “indigenous” to North Africa yet have a Eurasian origin. Now, to the Albanian guy, don’t worry. ‘Do you know if the tested sample is predominantly from one geographic propinquity, in other words how spatially distributed were the people in terms of their clan affiliation?’. In the article announcing this first information, Cruciani et al. Y-Chromosome Phylogeny”, It is speaking of the SHARING of Haplogroup A in Both Khoisan of South Africa and Ethiopians of East Africa. I am unable to find information that says M215 or M35 is North African or even North East African (Unless Ethiopia is the locatized as N.E. There are some texts that explicitly say Punt was in Asia. My mother is from the same family they r cousins and she is very light and has hazel eyes. Regardless of whether it was recorded or not. Anyway we are all different looking as the Somali community knows too well, some of us look Indian, Sri-lankan,arab(not caucasion),South American,Spanish or Mixed. I am a somali male from djbouti and all my life i had stupid Caribeans/Jamaicans tell me im not black because i have silky curly hair and i dont have a wide nose..I usually get mistaken as ethiopian by outher somalis or ill usually get mistaken for Caribean by non east africans my sisters and brothers usually get mistaken as caribean as well my mom is very light skin and my dad is a caramel colour. Wallahi some of the rapists knew her and were asking for her. ! All Y chromsomes originate in sub Saharan African. In this example – GENETICALLY – can M58 people separate themselves from M154 people? M35 lineages Go INTO the Middle East spreading Proto-Afriasian come back into the Horn in the form of Semitic. I’m from East Africa andwe are the most “genetically diverse”. I think evniviroment also influence the body to adapt and after few generations it become standard for example to see tall Somalis with skinny body which was good for their daily life of livestock and moving around. To top it off,... SexyLady, Jan 11, 2021 at 8:07 PM They are a subset of an Ethiopian population, and the reason their hair is different to Ethiopian in texture is only going to be a founder effect. All these people look with the west Africans many of you covet. Negotiating Full Time offers to be Part Time? They also have proto words for ‘fortified settlement’, and field. We have the dominant gene you fool, and you are in the minority. There is a very small percentage of Arabs and other ethnic groups (called the Banadiir, Bantu, etc) living within Somalia and that identify as Somali and their families have lived within Somalia for centuries. ( Log Out /  The older papers put m78 as East African in origin, but it’s incorrect. If these soldiers marry the indigenous, rape or have a casual interaction, they will definitely put their mark in the current race. etc. she gives me rihanna bad girl vibes but taylor... SweetApples (Agree). I could be incorrect but please explain to me exactly WHERE I am incorrect. Since M clades are way older and very varied in India, there was never a good case to place M in Africa. I know we Somalis come from some Ethiopian people, but why do you not think that these Asians come from Ethiopia? Modern Egyptians only have about 4% overall immigration from the historical era in them. Somalis show up as 40% Eurasian on autosomal DNA studies A, ahich is about as accurate as you can get. I have always thought about what we Somalis are, my mom says we simply are ethioper “Oromo” Oetset who have moved on, but we do it? The Punt is In ancient Egyptian and Greek geography, the southern coast of the Red Sea and adjacent coasts of the Gulf of Aden, corresponding to modern coastal Somaliland. That isn’t closely related. You puzzle me, and scare me slightly too. Neither are enough to alter the physical appearance of the people. 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